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Lee Trundle
4:24 Fri Nov 24
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Why not look at African countries and how they dealt with with covid, over Sweden?
259k deaths in a continent of 1.2 billion people living in cramped conditions, who weren't on lockdown, and barely any of them were vaccinated.
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Swiss.
4:09 Fri Nov 24
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hreesixty 1:23 Fri Nov 24
High taxes but high benefits if you are out of work especially through illness. A Nice safety net which means people are happier. Trust me they take a lot of time off sick for the smallest of things. Also they get a lot of holidays.
I think I’ve also mentioned the women are very hot as well.
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Mike Oxsaw
4:06 Fri Nov 24
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Lee Trundle 11:58 Fri Nov 24
Can I replace "BAME" with "Media friendly label of choice that incorporates and reflects your personal political beliefs"?
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Hammer and Pickle
2:06 Fri Nov 24
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360
I’m not really interested in the obedience factor. That’s probably because it doesn’t really matter if you are the King of Sweden or the Tsar of Russia: if you ask a Swedish person to do something they regard as against their own interests, they will be as likely to tell you to do one as any Englishman. In fact much more so because, as you yourself have noticed, they tend to be happier and more personally secure, and therefore a lot less prone to being divided and played off against each other.
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Jaan Kenbrovin
1:32 Fri Nov 24
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threesixty 11:02 Thu Nov 23
I’m not ignoring anything. I haven’t suggested that Sweden didn’t have health guidance measures in place, or disputed them.
They simply didn’t lock down, which is different than almost every nation on the planet. Trying to pretend their response was no real different to other nations is absurd.
The whole point in reviewing the Covid response is to learn from it. If you’re going to ignore glaring differences in response like Sweden then what significant difference could you expect from anything the UK could have done?
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threesixty
1:23 Fri Nov 24
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Hammer
Scandinavian countries always rate highly on the happiness index for countries worldwide. They generally have higher taxation than other western economies and have historically had more continuous socialist based govts as well.
That is not "wishy washy". It's just a fact.
The governments in these societies (just like all societies) reflect the culture and mindsets of the people that live there. Especially as they are voted for in democratic elections.
So again, I agree with the study. You dont seem to provide anything to refute their claim that Swedish people are generally more obedient which impacted how they dealt with Covid.
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Lee Trundle
11:58 Fri Nov 24
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Come on, Mike. It's not 2021 anymore.
BAME has been deemed unacceptable by those who make terms like this up in the first place.
Get with the times.
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Mike Oxsaw
11:54 Fri Nov 24
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I seem to recall people, who, given their status in UK society, should have known better, banging on about the vaccine roll-out being "racist" on account that a higher proportion of BAME residents in the UK were choosing to not take the vaccine - basically saying "we don't accept the order of the establishment in our host country, we're going to do things OUR way".
Basically, these people were desperately trying to prove (PROVE) that it was all white man's fault that BAME individuals made the choices they did regarding Covid and the (free) vaccine.
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Hammer and Pickle
11:50 Fri Nov 24
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*wishy-washy
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Hammer and Pickle
11:37 Fri Nov 24
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360
I wasn't making the point that cultures differ; in fact I'm assuming there are differences between UK and Scandinavian cultures. The specific difference I was talking about was the culture of the political elites with reference to how they go about governing and handling power. And no, I don't agree they are any more socialist and inclined to look out for each other while in the UK people are more selfish and unruly - that's just lazy wish-washy stereotyping.
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Lee Trundle
11:37 Fri Nov 24
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Did many African counties lock down to the extent we, and other counties, did?
It never did roar through Africa, and barely any of them we vaccinated either.
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BRANDED
11:25 Fri Nov 24
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What evidence is there that the virus respected the culture of a nation?
Are we saying all those immigrants in Sweden behaved the same?
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Bungo
11:23 Fri Nov 24
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Bonds78 8:24 Fri Nov 24
You are correct. This enquiry is largely a PR exercise to avoid accusations of the government being unwilling to start an enquiry.
Clearly there will be some revelations, some accusations and some mud-slinging which will help placate the 'told you so' crowd, but more and more information will continue to emerge for many years if not decades to come
This will be especially true when it comes to making comparisons of what the UK did to what happened in other countries, as there will inevitably be vested interests from many still in power elsewhere to keep any 'unflattering' information under wraps.
Overall, it will be similar to accurately unravelling everything that happened in WWII.
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threesixty
11:19 Fri Nov 24
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hammer
So you don’t believe that culture and societies in different countries can act quite differently?
Culturally I do not believe Scandinavian countries are anything like the UK. Just like Japan is totally different to here etc. Just the basic little things and approach to issues are different than here.
Even our leaders couldn’t follow rules and you think the avg citizen would have?
I agree with the study. Scandi culture makes them fairly disciplined without a lot of laws pushing them. They had also had a traditionally socialist govt for decades which by its very nature means looking out for each other. They also do not like to stand out culturally and tend to favour more modesty than us. They are different to us. We are like half way American / Europe hybrid right now.
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Hammer and Pickle
9:05 Fri Nov 24
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360
From that the picture is they’re generally just mature enough to get on with it in a pandemic situation without throwing a hissy, much like most in any country, including the UK. No, I think the point is being missed and lies with the political class’s and establishment’s approach to running the country’s affairs. There the consensus is to really do things in the public interest. I’m afraid that consensus is much weaker in the UK, especially when working with what might be described as the “working class demographic”, and here the elite has definitely succumbed to just using people’s insecurities and resentments to divide and rule in classic Norman style.
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Bonds78
8:24 Fri Nov 24
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Absolute fucking sham. Going to cost the taxpayer god knows how many millions just so a bunch of cunts can cover their arses by blaming another bunch of cunts who have been long gone.
This whole circus will prove or achieve fuck all apart from making some wealthy lawyers even wealthier.
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jfk
3:34 Fri Nov 24
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Shut up you cunts.
It’s a thing of the past.
Come on you Irons!!!!
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Capitol Man
1:29 Fri Nov 24
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Willtell 10:36 Thu Nov 23
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Staggering lack of awareness as to how you’ve simply moved the pub bore online.
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Capitol Man
1:25 Fri Nov 24
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= the inquiry isn’t sharing the views of the more hysterical, reality-challenged sections of the internet.
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Any Old Iron
1:05 Fri Nov 24
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This inquirey is nothing but a premeditated circus. Those running it seem to be more interested in the behaviour of the participants rather than any outcomes.
As for outcomes, judging by the fact that the inquisitors never, ever ask any even vaguely critical question of lockdown it’s very clear that they have all decided that lockdown was a jolly good thing and should have been introduced sooner and far more harshly.
What fucking waste of time and money.
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threesixty
12:44 Fri Nov 24
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Hammer
I’m not working on stereotypes, I’m referencing an actual study:
https://www.preventionweb.net/news/did-swedens-controversial-covid-strategy-pay-many-ways-it-did-it-let-elderly-down#
“ Notably, any perceptions that people in Sweden went on with their everyday lives during the pandemic as if nothing had changed are untrue.
In a survey by Sweden’s Public Health Agency from the spring of 2020, more than 80% of Swedes reported they had adjusted their behaviour, for example by practising social distancing, avoiding crowds and public transport, and working from home. Aggregated mobile data confirmed that Swedes reduced their travel and mobility during the pandemic.
Swedes were not forced to take action against the spread of the virus, but they did so anyway. This voluntary approach might not have worked everywhere, but Sweden has a history of high trust in authorities, and people tend to comply with public health recommendations.”
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